Simplifying the PDP (Mailing List + Forum Option)

Original Language Español Date Published 29/03/2018 Last Modified 23/03/2018
Last Call for Comments Period 01/05/2018 - 31/05/2018 Date Ratified Does not apply Implementation Date 26/06/2018
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Name: Jordi Palet Martinez
Organization: The IPv6 Company

Proposal Data

Policy Type: LACNIC
Id: LAC-2018-10
Last version: 1
Presented at: LACNIC 29 Presentations:


The LACNIC Policy Development Process (PDP) considers two options: the ‘normal’ process and the ‘expedited’ process. Only the latter allows community participation and reaching consensus exclusively through the Policy list, without the need for discussion at the public forum.

Considering that not all forum participants are able to attend all LACNIC face-to-face meetings (which is where the public forum takes place), discrimination is generated when consensus is sought for a policy at the public forum, instead of seeking it among the majority, usually a much larger number of non-attendees. In short, it becomes simply a matter of counting ‘in-person’ votes.

This proposal seeks to standardize the process by eliminating the requirement that states that consensus must only be reached at the public forum, while maintaining the forum as a mandatory step for any proposal.

Finally, one of the usual doubts concerns the definition of ‘consensus’, which is often confused with ‘voting’, and a clarification of the purpose of the so called ‘last call’.

The proposal also incorporates an appeal process to be used for policy development dispute resolution.


With its requirement of face-to-face participation at the forum, the current PDP might – at least partially – be the cause of the low levels of community participation in the process.

This proposal would simplify the process by not requiring participation at the in-person public forum to achieve consensus – instead, consensus would be determined balancing the mailing list and the forum – and would therefore increase community participation.

Finally, it completes the PDP by adding a mechanism for solving disagreements during an appeals phase and an improved definition of ‘consensus’.


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1. Rationale
The Policy Development Process is an essential part of the services provided by the Regional Internet Registry. It is through this process that the creation and modification of the policies that the RIR will apply within its region are validated.

This document describes the two options considered by the LACNIC policy development process (normal and expedited), the mechanisms that allow its operation, and the appeal system.

2. Definition of ‘Consensus’
Achieving ‘consensus’ does not mean that proposals are voted for and against, nor that the number of ‘yes's’, ‘no's’ and ‘abstentions’ – or even participants – are counted, but that the proposal has been discussed not only by its author(s) but also by other members of the community, regardless of their number, and that, after a period of discussion, all critical technical objections have been resolved.

In general, this might coincide with a majority of members of the community in favor of the proposal, and with those who are against the proposal basing their objections on technical reasons as opposed to ‘subjective’ reasons. In other words, low participation or participants who disagree for reasons that are not openly explained should not be considered a lack of consensus.

Objections should not be measured by their number, but instead by their nature and quality within the context of a given proposal. For example, a member of the community whose opinion is against a proposal might receive many ‘emails’ (virtual or real) in their support, yet the chairs might consider that the opinion has already been addressed and technically refuted during the debate; in this case, the chairs would ignore those expressions of support against the proposal.

For information purposes, the definition of ‘consensus’ used by the RIRs and the IETF is actually that of ‘rough consensus’, which allows better clarifying the goal in this context, given that ‘consensus’ (Latin for agreement) might be interpreted as ‘agreed by all’ (unanimity). More specifically, RFC7282, explains that “Rough consensus is achieved when all issues are addressed, but not necessarily accommodated.”

Consequently, in this document ‘consensus’ should be interpreted as ‘rough consensus’.

As an ‘abridged’ definition for the remainder of the document, a proposal is considered to have reached consensus when it is supported by meaningful opinions, after broad discussion, and when there are no irrefutable technical objections.

3. LACNIC's Policy Development Process.
The Policy Development Process may involve the following instances:
o Public Policy List
o PDP Chairs
o Working Groups
o Public Policy Forum
o LACNIC Board of Directors

3.1. Public Policy List
o Only those subscribed to the Policy mailing list may submit a proposal.
o Open mailing list.
o Formal starting point and end point for policy discussions.
o Policy proposals may be received at any time.
o Proposals must be submitted using the online form available at Once it has been reviewed, an identification code will be assigned, and the proposal will be sent to the discussion list. The maximum time allowed for reviewing and publishing the proposal on the Public List must not exceed two weeks. This review will only address the text itself, not the merit of the proposal.
o Working Groups may only be summoned through this list.
o Every call for the creation of a working group must be supported by at least five (5) members of the Public Policy List.
o The call for the nomination of candidates to serve as PDP Chairs must be summoned through this list alternately every two years.
o Only topics and items discussed on the Public Policy List at least 1 week prior to the Public Policy Forum will be discussed at the Forum.

3.2. PDP Chairs
LACNIC's PDP will have two chairs, both of whom will perform the same functions.

3.2.1. Functions of the PDP Chairs
o To lead and prepare Public Policy Forum discussions. Discussions will be moderated by one of the two Chairs, who may alternate in this function during the course of the event.
o To moderate the Public Policy List and the Policy Development Process in general.
o To evaluate and suggest minor changes to proposed texts before the corresponding call for consensus.
o To evaluate and suggest consensus in policy discussions.
o To suggest the finalization of the discussions on a specific issue on the Public Policy List.
o To decide to abandon a policy.
o To summon the creation of Working Groups on the Public Policy List.
o To receive comments from LACNIC's Staff in relation to different aspects of a policy proposal. These comments may include, among others, comments on the wording of a proposal, cost of implementing a proposal, legal aspects, and where to include a proposal within the LACNIC Policy Manual.

3.2.2. About the PDP Chairs
o PDP Chairs may not be LACNIC staff.
o These positions will be honorary.
o PDP Chairs must be members of LACNIC or supported by a member of LACNIC.
o PDP Chairs will each serve a 2-year term, with one position up for renewal each year. Unlimited reelection is allowed.

3.2.3. About the election of the Chairs:
o Calls for nominations will be announced through the Public Policy List.
o Anyone subscribed to the Public Policy List may participate.
o The election will be conducted immediately before the Public Policy Forum.
o Voting will be conducted electronically, applying mechanisms to ensure that each subscriber to the list can cast only one vote.
o The winner of the electronic voting process must be ratified at the Public Policy Forum. The acting chairs will ask those in attendance whether they have any objections to the electronic voting process. If any objections are raised, the chairs will evaluate whether such objections are significant. If no objections are raised, or if the chairs consider that such objections are not significant, they will proceed to ratify the winning candidate. Any chair who ran in the election must abstain from participating as chair during the ratification process.
o Elected chairs will begin their term immediately after the closing of the Public Policy Forum during which they were ratified.
o If a winner is not ratified, the LACNIC Board will appoint a chair to fill the vacant position until the following Public Policy Forum. The next time an election and ratification process can be conducted, the person elected will only fill the position for the remainder of the original term.

3.2.4. Responsibilities and obligations of the Chairs
o To publish the agenda of the upcoming Public Policy Forum on the Public Policy List at least 1 week before the start of the Forum, specifying, among other information, which policy proposals will be presented and discussed.
o To prepare a report on the Public Policy Forum and submit it to the Policy list not more than one week after the end of the Forum.
o To submit a call for the discussion of any proposal presented by the community on the Public Policy List, including a reminder of the duration of the discussion period, which will be at least 8 weeks and at most the time required for its presentation at the Public Policy Forum. Consensus may not be called for any proposal that has not been presented and debated at least at one Public Policy Forum.
o At any time during the discussion period, to decide together with the author(s) whether it is advisable to review a proposal and, if so, whether it is necessary to restart the discussion period or whether the changes are minor and/or consensus is expected and therefore allow the same discussion period to continue.
o To announce whether consensus has been reached within a maximum of 2 weeks after the discussion period has ended.
o If consensus is not reached, to decide together with the author(s) whether they would like to publish a new version or abandon the proposal. If a new version is submitted, the 8-week discussion period must be restarted.
o To publish a 4-week last call for comments for any proposal that reaches consensus.
o Within 1 week of the end of the last call for comments, to confirm whether consensus is maintained (in which case the proposal is sent to the LACNIC Board for ratification) or decide together with the author(s) if they wish to submit an updated version of the proposal to the Public Policy List and restart the discussion period.
o To communicate through the Policy List the results of the ratification by the LACNIC Board of those policies that reached consensus and received no observations during the last call for comments, not more than one week after the publication of the minutes of the Board meeting during which the ratification was decided.

3.3. Working Groups
o Working Groups will be optional. Their goal will be to facilitate the discussion of a specific topic.
o Unlimited number of participants.
o Created at the summons of the PDP Chairs, the LACNIC Board, or the LACNIC Member Assembly.
o Working Group results must be published on the Public Policy List four weeks before the Public Policy Forum. These results will be considered recommendations for the Public Policy List.

3.4. Public Policy Forum
o Open to anyone who is interested in participating.
o Analysis of the discussions held on the Public Policy List.
o Presentation and discussion of policies currently undergoing the PDP.
o Opportunities will be offered to present topics that are of interest to the Public Policy Forum.

3.5. LACNIC Board of Directors
During its first meeting after the 4-week last call for comments, the LACNIC Board may:
o Ratify the proposal. Analyze its implementation in communication with the staff and make the corresponding announcement.
o Reject the proposal and, through the PDP Chairs, request that the Public Policy List continue their analysis and submit a new proposal.
o Decide the removal of one or both PDP Chairs if failure to comply with their responsibilities were to affect the policy development process. The Board will be responsible for presenting the interim chair(s) within a maximum two weeks, and these interim chairs will serve until the next election.
In addition:
o The Board may summon the creation of Working Groups on the Public Policy List.
o They will be responsible for the election process to appoint the PDP Chairs.
o If a decision of the chairs is appealed, the Board must decide the appeal within a maximum of 4 weeks.

4. Responsibilities and obligations of LACNIC
o To act as the secretariat for the Policy Development Process and provide support to the Public Policy List and the Public Policy Forum by maintaining the mailing list and its archives; providing a space for the Public Policy Forum to meet during LACNIC events; providing assistance to Forum chairs during the Public Policy Forum; updating its website with information on the policy development process, proposals that are under discussion, and those previously submitted, along with their current status; maintaining and updating the Policy Manual and changelog; and providing assistance for conducting the election of the chairs.
o To notify the implementation of proposals ratified by the Board on the Policy List as soon as this occurs.

5. Appeals process
In case of disagreement during the process, any member of the community must initially bring the matter to the Public Policy List for consideration by the Chairs.

Alternately, if any member considers that the Chairs have violated the process or erred in their judgement, they may appeal their decision through the Board, which must decide the matter within a period of four weeks.

6. Last call
The purpose of the ‘last call’ is to provide the community with a brief and final opportunity to comment on the proposal, especially to those who didn’t do so earlier. Consequently, during this period editorial comments may be submitted and, exceptionally, objections if any aspect is discovered that was not considered in the discussion prior to determining consensus. Any new objections must also be substantiated and must therefore not be based on opinions lacking a technical justification.

Additional Information

The PDP is different in the different RIRs. This proposal is quite similar to the RIPE PDP, possibly the region with the broadest participation in its policy proposal discussions, although there are certain differences such as the mandatory use of the mailing list and the forum, which is more similar to the PDP at ARIN (another region with broad community participation).


Immediate implementation



Public Comments by LACNIC Staff

LACNIC STAFF´S IMPACT ANALYSIS - Proposal LAC-2018-10 - versión 1

LACNIC Staff's Interpretation of the Proposal

This proposal modifies the Policy Development Process (PDP) currently in force

Modifications to the current text
This proposal:

• Modifies the Policy Development Process.

LACNIC Staff Comments:
Implementing this proposal would have the following impacts:

1. Consensus would be sought on the discussion list
 and forum
Consensus would be decided through the Public Policy List and the Pubic Public Policy Forum (PPF). This means that greater importance would be assigned to remote participation than to in-person participation.

2. Two weeks to decide consensus

Chairs would no longer have to decide whether consensus exists at the in-person meeting of the PPF but would instead have two weeks to make and communicate their decision on the discussion list.

3. Addition of the definition of consensus and last call for comments

A specific section would be included to define consensus, establishing the concept of rough consensus: “Rough consensus is achieved when all issues are addressed, but not necessarily accommodated.”
The definition of last call for comments would also be added.

4. Chairs of the PDP, not the PPF

The title of FPP chairs would be replaced by PDP chairs. 
Chairs would no longer be responsible exclusively for moderating the forum; instead, they would be responsible for moderating the entire PDP. 

5. Appeals process

An appeals process would be added in case a member of the community wishes to express their disagreement regarding consensus.

6. Member Assembly

The Member Assembly would be eliminated from the PDP. 
In any case, it is understood that any intervention needed may be made through the appeals process.

7. The new process would have the following stages:
7.1. Initial discussion – at least 8 weeks and at most the time required for the proposal to be presented at the PPF.
(This period would be restarted if a new version is submitted).
7.2. Chairs decide on consensus - 2 weeks
The chairs would have two weeks to determine whether consensus has been reached.
7.3. Last call for comments - 4 weeks
7.4. Chairs confirm whether consensus is maintained - 1 week
7.5. Ratification by the Board. 
(If consensus is not reached, or if the board does not ratify the proposal, it would either be sent back to the discussion list or abandoned).

Impact of the policy on the registration system and address management
This proposal would not require any changes to the registration system.

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